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2.0 Hate your job - why stay? posted on December 20, 2006

I read these bitter employees at Amazon, and am amazed at why all of them are still there? Hmmmmm I read that 1 of them is there after 3 years, but hates it? What kinda person is this? Is there view really valid?

A website that allows this sort of free form crying about past employment has to be posted is seriously diemented. Should be called "bitter employee website".

Any college educated person knows that everyone complains about things, but rarely praise things. So, this is a website that is really just for moaners and seriously sad people. Bright people, but very sad (and borderline psychotic) people.

Get a life. Get another job.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 11, 2007 01:50 AM

    I can't agree more. There are some sorry posters on here.

    Get a life. Get a Job. Get Medical Attention.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 11, 2007 04:43 AM

    I agree. If you hate your job then quit and get another job. If you like your job, post something about it here. If you dislike this website then go somewhere else. If you hate your job but like this website, quit your job and post something here. If you break a leg, seek medical attention. Even a VB programmer should be able to follow this simple logic.

    This is not a "bitter employee website". It is a "avoid places where you are likely to become a bitter employee" website.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 11, 2007 08:18 AM

    I bet the shitty ratings annoy the hell out of asshat development managers at Amazon, IBM et all. I am confident they deserve it. At the same time, there is the contrast of Redhat, Microsoft, Google and others that apparently don't shit on their employees.

    Should be a wake up call for those who get crappy ratings, especially as it takes two "worst" ratings to one "best" rating to give you the "50% approval" rating of two stars.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 14, 2007 03:37 AM

    I posted my comments about Amazon.com to make it known that if managers ill treat their employees at some point it will come to light. When I was there two of the three managers in the group I was in got away with appaling behaviour. They treated people like machines and made not the slightest effort to make sure turns of 24/7 pager duty were properly spread out.

    One manager ported a Perl script that sent automatic pages whenever an error (and a lot of other stuff as well!!!!) increased in the website error logs. For the first few months it wasn't properly configured and it sent off several pages an hour. It was just a joke and during the day I had to turn it off as otherwise it would vibrate non-stop on my desk and disturb all the other workers. And what did my manager do? He came into my office and turned it back on. The guy just had no clue that you need peace to concentrate on your work. During my first week with a pager I got woken up almost every night. When a "real" error occurred I was too zonked out to properly deal with it. And these people claimed this was an example of how the new script was a success! They just had no idea.

    At the time I had to do my project work at weekends as my weekdays were too busy dealing with problems. Eventually my project completed and I was thanked for my good work. Roll on 1 year and my manager decided to blame me for the interruptions, despite saying what a good job I had done at the time.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 14, 2007 08:06 AM

    someone wrote:
    I posted my comments about Amazon.com to make it known that if managers ill treat their employees at some point it will come to light.

    That makes a lot of sense. I think that is the beauty of Coderific - it is a great counterweight to abusive managers.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 22, 2007 01:43 AM

    someone wrote:
    Hmmmmm I read that 1 of them is there after 3 years, but hates it? What kinda person is this? Is there view really valid?

    I'd say it easily takes a year to get into a job enough to be able to see what problems are caused by bad management. Then add another year or two for those hopeful attempts to bring attention to, and get the bad things corrected.

    Of course the views of those who as stayed there for three years are very valid. They know that the problems are not temporary and they have had time to try to bring attention to what is wrong.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on January 26, 2007 12:36 AM

    someone wrote:
    Hmmmmm I read that 1 of them is there after 3 years, but hates it? What kinda person is this? Is there view really valid?

    someone else wrote:
    I'd say it easily takes a year to get into a job enough to be able to see what problems are caused by bad management. Then add another year or two for those hopeful attempts to bring attention to, and get the bad things corrected.

    Of course the views of those who as stayed there for three years are very valid. They know that the problems are not temporary and they have had time to try to bring attention to what is wrong.


    Amazon also has enormous potential, and could become a fantastic place to work on fantastic problems, if they were so inclined. And a lot of the people there are so inclined... just often not the right people.

    It's a situation that you really want to make work. You'll probably fail, like so many before you have, but it seems a shame to throw away the potential without trying to make it work.

    There are lots of other places out there, and even the people Amazon fires for incompetence would end up being the stars at most other companies, but most other companies don't have what Amazon has to offer.

    Brilliant people, difficult problems, direct impact on the bottom line, and a fair amount of control over your project's direction... what more could you want? Well, lots more as it turns out.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted by chorizopie on March 02, 2007 05:19 PM

    The reason why they're still there is the vesting process. It takes ~3.75 years to fully vest the RSUs that are handed to them. So people stick it out...I knew a few engineers that hopped from team to team for the last year and a half without doing any real work just to ride their time out. These RSUs can amount to ~$80k or more in stock, which isn't a bad bonus after 3 years, especially if you get a 2nd year bonus and maybe even a raise after a year or so.

    It's also easy as hell to slide amidst the bureaucracy if you're savvy -- and lots of engineers are smart enough to figure it out.

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  • Re: Hate your job - why stay? posted on July 11, 2007 09:58 PM

    >It takes ~3.75 years to fully vest the RSUs that are handed to them. So people stick
    >it out...I knew a few engineers that hopped from team to team for the last year and
    >a half without doing any real work just to ride their time out. These RSUs can
    >amount to ~$80k or more in stock

    HA! I know 4 people that just quit because the majority of their stock vested. I think that's why it takes 3 years for RSU to vest. They want to make sure they get their moneys worth from you :)

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